Cunt of the Week™: Cyril Style

Listen, I don’t know who “Cyril Style” is either, but he’s a complete cunt. In describing a series of photos by Julia Chesky called “The Original Hipster,” featuring a homeless guy in New York, Cyril notes:

Personally I have always found the homeless to be a great source of inspiration and totally agreed with Julia’s title “The Original Hipster”.

A great source of inspiration?!? Who the fuck does he think he is? Erin Wasson?

Cunt.

***UPDATE:   Cyril is a double cunt for modifying his statement with the words “specific details about” after I posted this.   I copied and pasted his statement last night.   I would never edit a quote just to serve my purposes.   Cunt ².

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79 Responses to “Cunt of the Week™: Cyril Style”

  1. Natalie / Fashion Intel Says:

    I’d like to second that and share some articles from 2 amazing women that are far more articulate than I on this subject, though I do have a lot to say! Read here: http://iheartthreadbared.wordpress.com/tag/homelessness/

    I hope you enjoy that blog SW if you already haven’t seen it. I really enjoy your COTW!

  2. Make Do Style Says:

    Incredible! I don’t feel inspired I feel tears welling up and concern. I worry how people ended up on the street. I wish I had a magic wand. Some days I harden my heart and pretend I haven’t seen them. The day I am ‘inspired’ by a homeless person I will cunt of the week.

  3. Make Do Style Says:

    Missed the word ‘be’ that’s how miffed I am!

  4. Denise (denisekatipunera) Says:

    what’s a homeless style really look like????? Homeless people here in the Philippines has blood coming out from their nose and ears so tell me how’s that for an inspiration?

  5. Laura Says:

    Erghhh fucking cunt-tard!!

  6. anon Says:

    I agree with you SW, there is nothing inspirational in being homeless – however, the correct quote of the French guy is: “Personally I have always found specific details about the homeless to be a great source of inspiration” – you omitted “specific details”. As I understand this, he’s not inspired by the homeless but by some details about them (messy hair, a pile of clothes, dirt, who knows…). I don’t see anything wrong with being inspired by someone’s appearance, homeless or not. And the man in question says he has been homeless by choice (I guess he’s some kind of a freaky-loner type) so I don’t find it insulting for someone to photograph him, he’s not a victim.

  7. Make Do Style Says:

    Dear Anon – sorry messy hair nor dirt on a homeless person is not inspirational it is messy hair and dirt. Surely it therefore should be inspirational on everyone not specific to being homeless.
    Equally how can one state or classify a person as ‘a freaky loner type’ and then say he is not a victim. Humans are social creatures they do no choose to be ‘freaky loner types’. I enjoy solitude but I was raised by humans and am part of the pact. We thrive on love, nurture and companionship.
    The specific details about being homeless are not inspirational for art. I suggest you read George Orwell’s Down and Out in Paris and London

  8. miss a. Says:

    I really can’t stand people who claim to draw inspiration from the homeless. Sea posted something similar maybe a year or two back when she posted up photos from Mongolian nomads from “National Geographic” and ranted about their ability to mix patterns. Fucking cultural appropriation and classism.

  9. anon Says:

    Dear Make Do – maybe all the homeless people should decide to turn their lives around, go to a shelter, stop drinking, clean themselves, work hard on a lousy job to earn barely enough to have something to eat, find love and companionship, etc. It is hard, but one can do it. Some just won’t. Unlike you, I do not preach other people what to do, read, how to and where to live. for example, there are people eating food from garbage (freeganism) because they do not want to buy food, they are fighting food companies and showing their protest against world hunger. I would never do that, but I understand it. same thing here, the man says he is homeless by choice – I don not know his reasons, I would never be homeless by choice, but I respect his choice. He is not a victim if he prefers to be a loner. I will not preach him and force him to be a loving father and husband to a large family living in suburbia just because you think that would make him happy.
    people can be inspired by the things they see around them, even homeless people. it can be tacky and insulting but in this specific case i do not see it.

  10. Make Do Style Says:

    Dear Anon – I’m not preaching about what a homeless person should do/be etc. I’m stating my objection to people using the word inspiration in context of being being homeless and specifically as you stated messy hair and dirt. If you use specific words and I respond to those specific words please don’t jump to a another level which I haven’t touched upon. Did I mention work? Did I suggest they should ‘turn themselves around’.

    I think Miss A sums it up nicely with the word appropriation.

    And for the record I spent years preventing my mentally ill sister becoming homeless. She didn’t respond to treatment in the way the authorities would like her to and guess what for bad behaviour you get thrown out of a hospital to teach you a lesson. How inspirational is that.

  11. Make Do Style Says:

    Oh and I don’t mean the above in a angry way. I was sighing when I typed. My point about my dear sister is to illustrate she wasn’t a victim either just psychotic and deranged and part of a society that doesn’t really care, because it is so overwhelming.

  12. the real andrea Says:

    this is who “Cyril Style” is:

    Profile: French Trendsetter, living & working in New York : art direction, trend forecasting, styling, designing is my daily basis. /////// ps: Sorry for my French, I don’t pretend to be a writer and I know that my writing is not the best… Follow us on http://twitter.com/trend_land
    Website: http://trendland.net/

    I think I will follow his twitter. I need some laughs in my daily grind.

    On a more serious note, I pass by several homeless men on a daily basis just 1/2 a block from my apt (also in NYC) that I own along with my husband. This disparity is very unique to New York. There’s the high and low in every neighborhood, sometimes on every block. Just the other day, as I was walking down my block in 100 degree summer heat, there was a homeless man lying in the middle of the sidewalk on his bed of newspapers, trying to get some relief from the heat in the shade of a tree. It is unfortunate that this Cyril character finds inspiration in the plight of someone less fortunate than himself. These dilettantes (such as Cyril and the photographer) that have the luxury of being inspired by and dressing like the homeless make me sick. It’s trivializing a real problem. I hope they paid that guy for the photo shoot. The thing is, if the homeless had a choice, I don’t think that they would be dressing that way, in torn and dirty clothing, wearing their hair that way, or smelling that way. What’s next, deodorant that lets you SMELL like a homeless person?

  13. the real andrea Says:

    Oh, and another thing- yes, I understand that the homeless man in the article is homeless by choice, but many times they “choose” being homeless due to mental illness, which is another sad thing about their situation.

  14. anon Says:

    Dear Make Do – As I said, I agree with you and SW, taking inspiration from other people’s misfortune is just bad, but I think this is not the case, this specific situation with Chris, Julia and Cyril, that’s all. I am not angry, too, and am sorry for your sister. Now, are we talking that Chris (the homeless model) is also bad because he is homeless by choice and is making out of it an inspiration worthy lifestyle? Is this also cultural appropriation – is he “stealing” homelessness from people who are (rightly) homeless because of life circumstances? to expand on the cultural appropriation topic – for example, a model wearing a Masai cape in a fashion editorial is cultural appropriation, and a Masai person wearing sneakers is just a fact? If nobody is hurt in the process, I think that people just need to live and let others live.

  15. Cricket9 Says:

    I think that the deodorant – or a “world most expensive perfume” – that will make you smell like a homeless person is, unfortunately, a serious possibility.

  16. WendyB Says:

    Speaking of Erin…. http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2010/07/rumor_rvca_dropped_erin_wasson.html

  17. Rosa Says:

    Fair and justly appointed Cunt of the Week, I say.

    There is fucking nothing ‘inspirational’ about homelessness or poverty. What the fuck is wrong with people?

    Anon: Who are you to say whether people are “rightly” homeless? (Seriously?!)
    Who the fuck really chooses the despair of poverty and homelessness?
    And then who the fuck seriously finds “Derelicte” inspiration for their own wankish, hipster fashion trends from it?

    Who said the Maasai and other cultures struggling with post-colonial poverty/displacement/marginalization & impacts of Westernization weren’t hurt in the process that saw them end up in Nikes while their families die from AIDS?

    Cultural appropriation trivializes, insults and in some cases violates the customs/beliefs/heritage of the appropriated culture.

    But hey. It’s live and let die, right?

  18. Claire Says:

    See, I can understand having a purely aesthetic appreciation of individual homeless people, or an imagined “homeless people” generalisation. But it’s pretty heinous that people can’t take a moment to realise that some things are more important than that. The problems of people’s real lives trump your right to chat about how neat you think people look! Jackasses!

  19. Aja Says:

    I hate this. I just do. Plain and simple.

  20. christine Says:

    This past weekend the Pitchfork festival was held in my neighborhood in Chicago. While out to dinner we saw a lot of people dressed in what could only be described as Aspirational Homeless Hipster. The thing we have many homeless people in the area. They drink cheap booze and hang out in the alley, generally not bothering anyone. The Aspirational Homeless Hipsters drink cheap booze and generally bother everyone. As if they are counter culture and doing anything progressive.

  21. brother Tiger Says:

    Outfit details of homeless has always inspired great fashion designers.

    Have you also heard about the Chinese homeless Fashion Icon ?

    http://trendland.net/2010/03/06/chinese-homeless-fashion-icon-blacklisted-from-balenciaga/

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/handsome-chinese-vagrant-draws-fans-of-homeless-chic-1915812.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/handsome-chinese-vagrant-draws-fans-of-homeless-chic-1915812.html

  22. anon Says:

    Ok, I think I get it now? It is insulting to have messy hair and piles of messy clothes on if you live in a house and have a job. It is insulting to wear Masai capes if you are a Caucasian living in Boston. It is insulting to wear feathers on your head if you are not a Native American (hello Queen Michelle, how are you?). Etc. Etc. Thank you all for making me a better person!

  23. Ann Says:

    Here’s an idea. How about instead of folks expressing their inspiration by emulating homeless people’s “fashion,” people express their inspiration by volunteering at a homeless shelter and donating time, money or services to get people who are not “homeless by choice” off the streets and learning a trade, learning life skills, getting help for their addictions/mental illnesses?

    Let me guess – these same people are inspired by a battered woman’s clever and crafty makeup application, too.

  24. HelOnWheels Says:

    @anon – You just keep missing the point. And get over yourself; this is not about you. We’re not attacking YOU.

    @brother Tiger – And you think this is cool? It’s pathetic. This kind of disgusting hipster “inspiration” was mocked in “Zoolander”. Only those that are bored with their privileged lives would be inspired by homelessness. Disgusting.

  25. Cecilia Says:

    Stop discriminating homeless people. Stop saying they are all mentally ill victims. Are being neat and smelling good really SO important things? THAT is ethnocentric and classist. Some homeless people create very strong bounds of solidarity and friendship between them, they are not “loners”. And if some of they are, that is not per se a sign of mental illness. It´s true that some people suffer from a loneliness they haven´t chosen, but I think that others may freely choose to isolate themselves from this crazy society of competition and consumism, and I think we should respect that as the free choice of an adult.

    Of course that many times homelessness is not a choice. That is because we live in an unfair and criminal system called capitalism. I think that is the real issue.

  26. heather Says:

    @brother Tiger – actually, the homeless man you’re referring to is mentally ill. Here’s an updated photo of him…http://goodnews.ws/2010/03/09/homeless-chinese-man-becomes-%E2%80%98derelicte%E2%80%99-fashion-icon/. I’m not saying you can’t take inspiration from whatever source you choose, but I think you have to draw a line when it comes to blatant exploitation.

  27. Alicia Says:

    Sis, you know how to start my Friday off right. LOL!

    Call me nuts, but I get anon’s point as it pertains to Chris…homelessness isn’t always a choice, but some do choose it (and I am not referring to the mentally ill when I say this) and shouldn’t be called victims because it was their choice.

    All that other stuff you guys are talking about, I won’t touch with a 10ft pole. Some people’s inspiration sources are definitely worth a hefty dose of side-eye and a COTW award…kinda like how Seth Aaron’s final Project Runway collection was inspired by German military uniforms of the 40’s…oh, those fashionable Nazis!

  28. Alicia Says:

    *fist pump* @Cecilia

  29. AnonToo Says:

    I agree with Anon and Cecilia here. Why are we so condescending to groups who choose to live differently, such as those who choose homelessness, by pitying them, instead of respecting them for their choices? Are we so caught up in ourselves that we cannot accept that others may have completely different views and personal philosophy about living in the streets? Yes, for all their messy hair, their tattered clothes, I do admire them for choosing to get off the rat race and drop out from a consumption-driven-debt-accumulation society. They wear their homelessness like a badge of honor.

    Sure, there are many who are forced to become homeless and are desperate to get back to their previous lives – they are the ones we should reach out to. However, those who decide to abandon a society composed of judgmental people like us, more power to them!

  30. AnonToo Says:

    And come on, we have always been inspired in our fashion by those who seem to live in a different, more idyllic (we assume) incivism, eg. the Romas, the Bohemians, pirates, etc. Are the homeless not the modern equivalent in our cities of these nomadic, roaming communities?

  31. Make Do Style Says:

    Cecilia – don’t you think you are over reacting. Not everyone is saying ..blah.
    The only person who mention messy hair, dirt and loner was Anon. No one specified anything. Most of us are spiting teeth over the use of the word inspirational. The contextual use of the word in association with homelessness and whatever else is deemed non mainstream. I have no idea if the person choose to be homeless. I am not judging him but I am amused by self satisfactory indulgent referencing by a third party. The post isn’t a discussion on homelessness it is on the person who uses such ridiculous terms. ditto AnonToo
    What is with this anon stuff is it meant to be inspirational.
    Dear Sister Wolf I really should finish the dinner and not drink wine and come back and read comments!!

  32. Sister Wolf Says:

    anon- I omitted nothing! Cyril wised up after I posted this (and after I left him a comment on his post) and modified his statement to sound less idiotic.

    anon and anon too – I understand why you are romanticizing homeless people. But unless you have spent time with them or worked with them, you are in no position to endorse their situation or lifestyle.

    OF course, the homeless population is not one Entity. It consists of different groups who got to that point for different reasons. Here in California, they are mostly the mentally ill, war veterans, and the ‘newly homeless’ i.e. families who have been out of work and lost their apartments/houses.

    When we speak of The Homeless in aggregate, we are not speaking of poetic vagabonds who have willingly given up everything to live on the street. Don’t be silly. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been in a thrift shop when a homeless man or woman comes in to beg for a pair of pants or a blanket, and the smell of feces drives everyone away. It is tragic, not at all inspiring.

    I once saw a homeless woman being raped by two homeless men, in a parking lot. I called the police but I couldn’t shake the horror of this scene.

    And no, the homeless are not gypsies or pirates. What are you, 6 years old???

  33. Sister Wolf Says:

    Make Do- Have more wine and maybe you can stop caring about pompous ignorance. Maybe.

    Christine – “Aspirational Homeless Hipster” is brilliant. I need to start using this, but you get all credit! Check this out, too.

  34. Elena Abaroa Says:

    Hate these stupid people, they should live in the street for a while to undertand how hard is life and problably then they would stop saying being homeless is inspirational and cool…I heard a couple of times in fashion boogs and fashion mags the words “heroin chic”, fucking idiots, they have no idea what a heroin addict is, there is nothing chic in this; this kind of dumb people drive me mad, seriously.

  35. AnonToo Says:

    Sister Wolf, we all have varied experiences with the homeless, and the incident of rape doesn’t indicate anything, except that the homeless are as capable of crimes, like drunken fratboys, like corrupt cops, like the rest of us.

    I used to live in a poorer part of a college town which has a sizable community of the homeless who chose that life. There is nothing to wax lyrical or poetic or romantic about them, they are just people who hang out at places around the city leading their vagrant lives, occasionally chatting with us, bumping a cigarette or more off us. Some of them cared about their appearance. One of them was an outstanding dandy and was rightly proud of his unusual fashion choices. Kudos to them for not choosing to saddle themselves with debt to buy or rent a home they cannot afford. For having the courage to live a life different from the rest of us. That to *some* of us can be inspirational.

    And there is nothing wrong in finding beauty in unexpected places and peoples that do not conform to what we consider attractive. What is wrong with admiring the results of the appearance of someone who simply puts together whatever he can find with or without conscious desire or direction for the clothing items? Is it not possible to discern an aesthetic among some of them in their assembly of found objects, to see a personal statement, a different type of dignity?

    I remember you wrote about “outsider art” or “art brut” (eg. the artist Adolf Wolfli, an asylum inmate). If the insane are capable of artistic expression, isn’t it possible for some of the insane and homeless to express a particular artistry and effect in their appearance from the clothing objects they scavenged, different from ours?

    This isn’t “romanticizing” the insane or the homeless, it is to acknowledge that many of them have their own culture, community and way of living, and some of them do it with style and zero $.

    Ok, I’m out of here as work beckons. Fire at will.

  36. HelOnWheels Says:

    @anontoo – “If the insane are capable of artistic expression, isn’t it possible for some of the insane and homeless to express a particular artistry and effect in their appearance from the clothing objects they scavenged, different from ours?”

    I’m just…

    You know, I’m not going to say anything because that statement of yours is just… *shakes head in disbelief*

  37. Sister Wolf Says:

    AnonToo – Let us not confuse outsider art with homelessness. That is another topic and one which I have strong feelings about. Let’s discuss that another time!

    You are indeed romanticizing the homeless and also the “insane.” Here is a pertinent quote:

    When folks romanticize poverty and primitivism, and portray the poor as “noble savages” living a simple life in harmony with nature, they are being remarkably paternalistic. The lifestyle of poverty is not to be fostered.

    Here is another one, about hipsters on food stamps, but it addresses the concept of ‘vagrant chic':

    This curious phenomenon—paradoxical though it may seem—is thoroughly unsurprising and immediately familiar to anyone who has monitored the long hipster narrative of fascination with urban struggle and the fetishizing of working class subsistence. Always on the lookout for new ways to coopt the tropes of the proletariat—whether it be in dress (vagrant chic), residence (gentrification), or behavior (riding buses)—hipsters are now gladly jumping into a another everyday activity that has long been the terrain (and still is) of the working poor, the elderly and single parents on welfare: Food stamps.

    All who maintain a fantasy about the noble homeless need to stop being so patronizing and consider how bourgeois their thinking is.

  38. HelOnWheels Says:

    Julia Chesky is a COTW too! She’s an idiot as well: when describing her “model” – “on most days he doesn’t even look like he’s truly homeless”. WTF does that mean?? Does that lessen the awfulness of being homeless when they don’t look like they are??!! I can’t believe she “styled” her model with jewelry and bags from expensive boutiques!!! What a f*cking c*nt!!!

  39. A cow with a holy attitude Says:

    I haven’t had time to read the comments or do much of anything lately; however, I have a romanticized vision of being homeless; however, not in the context of being forced into that situation. I’m tired of the rat race, the stress from working and not having enough to pay my bills, the demands of my time, feeling sick and tried and having insomnia yet trudging in to work to make enough money for the landlord who lives in Beverly Hills and gets about 75% of my paycheck. I want off the grid!!! However, the notion of being homeless in this society is very scary. Being being part of the working poor is very scary too. I have dreams of wondering the landscape, living off the land, and being healthy enough to do so, and not working for some fucking corrupt corporation or bureaucracy full of menial tasks and menial people for menial pay. (Sorry if I don’t prattling on it was another night of insomnia and just when I fell asleep the clock went off). I dream about owning my own time!

  40. Summer Adeline Says:

    I know this girl who has more money than I could ever wrap my mind around!! She chooses to spend large amounts of it on “pre-torn” clothing, products that make her hair look dirty, garage rock records of bands she never heard of, & destroyed antique furniture to fill her 3 story beach house. I believe its the fascination of a life she will never have. Is it silly??? YES! Does it piss me off??? YES! Can we blame her??? Well, not really…

  41. Make Do Style Says:

    Sister Wolf – your remarks are timely. It prevents me stating the same, but badly. I have drunk even more wine but I’m celebrating making the cut and the fact I don’t dip in to the bourgeois tilt of ‘admiring’ others. You have summarised paternalistic culture succinctly. It is a fetishism to ‘admire’ poverty in its many manifestations and I agree being an outsider is very different to being in poverty whether with a roof over ones head or not.

    I’m still trying to recover from the idea that I might have idealistic views of past nomadic people. You know what we still have gypsies in Europe and a few more nomadic tribes too and none of them are homeless.

  42. Summer Adeline Says:

    Not to mention the term.. “Starving Artist”

  43. Cecilia Says:

    Make Do: with more time I read all comments again and understood your point. While I still think everything I said before, I agree with you and Sister in that there is something wrong with taking homelessness as a purely aesthetical “inspiration”, I´m not sure if that would be true in general, but I think it is in the case of this Cyril , who really seems to be a shallow person.

  44. Erika Says:

    I work near methadone clinics and homeless shelters and every day I see people who are living on the streets. It isn’t stylish to be poor or drug addicted and without a home. A lot of people are suffering and it is not romantic. I am glad you brought this up. It is rightly cunty and anyone who would be so patronising is deserving of the title.

  45. Cricket9 Says:

    I wholeheartedly agree with anon on “If nobody is hurt in the process, I think that people just need to live and let others live”, but no there is nothing romantic about poverty and homelessness. Girls like the one described by Summer Adeline, and hipsters in general, remind me of a bunch of well-off people I’ve met in Switzerland in the seventies; bored out of their skulls by the order, cleanliness, well-being and lack of real problems, they became Maoists and held weekend meetings in their clean and organized homes, getting all excited over their little red books and planning a trip to the communist China, going back to their well-paid jobs next day.

  46. Cricket9 Says:

    BTW, I don’t understand the whole cultural appropriation business. Is Picasso being influenced by African art cultural appropriation, or Michelangelo designing Swiss guards uniforms based (apparently) on Polish folk costumes? Using Uzbekistan suzani as a bedspread, etc? IMO, world art is largely one big cultural appropriation; if I’m wrong, can someone explain what it’s all about?

  47. Alicia Says:

    @Cricket9 – you’re in luck. This is a huge topic right now. Two of my friends did co-posts on the subject:

    http://bonne-vie.net/index.php/2010/in-fashion-cultural-appropriation-vs-inspiration/

    and

    http://www.wicked-whimsy.com/index.php/2010/02/03/cultural-appropriation-vs-inspiration/

    There are a ton more, but these are the two in my recent memory. HTH.

  48. Cricket9 Says:

    Thanks, Alicia! Interesting discussion – but the lines between inspiration and appropriation are quite blurred…

  49. Rosa Says:

    @Cricket9, for a current example of cultural appropriation: here in Australia at the moment there is massive controversy over the appropriation of an Indigenous people’s sacred Wandjina symbol by a bunch of non-Indigenous cunts:

    http://treatyrepublic.net/content/kimberley-sacred-wandjina-symbol-misused-warning-blatantly-ignored

    @ no-one in particular: Interesting that typecasting people as victims of their circumstances is being repeatedly slammed, as is stereotyping any group of people…The notion of the undifferentiated ‘other’ is a myth, I think everyone here knows that. So no, of course no-one will argue that all homeless people are/aren’t victims, chose/didn’t choose their circumstances etc etc. However, the notion of poverty/homelessness as inspirational for fashion based purposes and intents is just fucking ludicrous. I don’t see how it can be otherwise.

  50. Sister Wolf Says:

    Rosa – AMEN.

  51. urbain Says:

    I saw these photos in various blogs, I saved even one on my pc: the portrait of him reading. I loved his jewelry, I thought it was his artwork and found it amazing and inspiring and I have no problem with that. Better to feel inspired by someone instead feeling ‘compassion’ for him/her wich is only a selfish feeling.
    Now I just link to this ‘Trendland net’, shit , the name is already a bad omen, and I understand that it’s just a fashion shooting. Queen of cunts is the one who did this shooting, Julia Chesky.
    Jean-Paul Gaultier had always casted people in the street for his fashion show, not ONLY homeless but even them and super models too. And he did it with respect, not stigmatizing them like this trendland did.
    Fuck the bourgeois bohême!

  52. urbain Says:

    Sister, the following post has nothing to do with your topic but with cyberintimidation’ and hacking. If you feel bothered, just remove it.

    A while back, I was pro-active on MySpace, my pages were regularly deleted (and rebuilded) because some hyena reported to MS about ‘offensive images’ on my page. Tired of this toxic ambient, I didn’t have anymore fun and finally gave up but didn’t disactivate my profiles. I didn’t link to my MS since last summer. Few days ago, a friend told me that my pages were regularly updated with agressive contents. I checked it. My profiles are hacked. Got an idea about who’s doing this. He didn’t only hacked my pages but also builded dozen of ‘back-ups’ pretending being me, using some photos of myself to harass people who were on my friendlist, sending agressive comments to them. Two years ago I had a stupid clash with a close friend (not a bloody avatar, a real friend living in same place as me). This hacker took profit of this clash to fuel his hatred for me by harassing this friend regularly, stealing his artworks and posting it to others friends (under my name obviously). Well, I could even find funny that a guy is dedicating his (no) life to keep me alive on MS. But not for toxic purpose. I reported to MS about this abuse, though I found it completely vain. 2 days ago, the profile of my friend has been deleted, obviously, he thought I was the reason of his deletion. So I rang him to clarify the situation. That’s how I knew exactly what’s going on since I left MS. Believe me, it’s quite disturbing, though I don’t give a shit about my ‘reputation’ on MS. But I’m worry about what this guy is able to do. If he can hacked my MS profile, is he able to hack my mailbox? I don’t want to think about the trouble I’ll go through if he does such twisted thing.
    I google about hacking. Apparently, it’s pretty hard to crack a MS or Facebook’s password (don’t believe all bullshit posted on Youtube or elsewhere). My profiles are hacked but my passwords are unchanged. I changed them, even if it’s useless. The easier way to hack a friend’s website (you need to know him/her very well) is to hack his/her mailbox. Logging to the mailbox and clicking on ‘forget password’, then answering to ‘secret questions’ to reactivate a new password. If your friend choosed an easy question like ‘what the name of your dog’ or ‘name of your brother’, it’s pretty easy to crack it. Then you just have to link to MS or any website, click on ‘forget password’ again, and the password will be send on the cracked mailbox. That’s the freaky trick I found out on a hackers forum, you don’t even have to be a hacker just need to have a brain and a ‘friend’ to hate.
    I mailed the people of my friendlist (the ones remaining on it) to tell them that my page was hacked, avoiding to say any blasphemous talk.
    But I don’t want to waste my energy for such childish game.
    Maybe I shouldn’t look back.
    Maybe I shouldn’t open the pandora box again.
    All this MS teached me is
    to delete what you (don’t want) to understand.
    That’s why I prefer to remain an analog pariah

  53. Cricket9 Says:

    Thanks Rosa!

  54. Mark Says:

    And where does “homeless preppy” (the look I aspire to) fit into this debate?

  55. natalea hell Says:

    @ Mark: I try to go for the “crack-less crackwhore” look. Because ripped thights and thorn t shists are so effortlessly cool. Throw on a cigarette to kill it. Is this going to start another debate about the crackwhores by choice?

  56. Cecilia Says:

    Rosa: I think that is an example of involuntary offense to the religious beliefs of a group of people, not of “cultural appropiation”. It´s not the same. The rich countries are constantly appropiating of very “material” things, such as natural resources, that belong to poor countries. That kind of appropiation worries me more. I live in Uruguay (the south of south America), and if someday the fashion in Los Angeles or NYC starts being drinking mate, I wouldn´t bother, nor I think any uruguayan would do. We would laugh at (north) Americans a little, because they would propbably not know the proper way to prepare it, but that´s it. In the case of the aborigenes, religious beliefs were involved, that is what makes the difference.

  57. Nati Hell Says:

    @Cecilia: Involuntary offense to the beliefs of a group of people is often a CONSEQUENCE of cultural appropriation. And you can’t compare the appropriation of natural resources with cultural appropriation because they are not even similar! Cultural appropriation takes time, and most of the times people are not even aware that it’s happening. Like people in the USA wearing tribal prints, inspired in traditional African clothes, that’s cultural appropriation.

    http://www.whowhatwear.com/website/admin/uploads/tr-tribal-punk-4-FINAL.jpg

    These rings/bracelets that a bunch of girls are starting to wear and they think they are so “achingly cool” and “rad”. These are traditional jewelry from the middle eastern countries. That’s cultural appropriation

    http://sliceofstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/clover_web_ring.jpg

    And don’t you think that maybe, just maybe, the people from some tribe in Africa, or women in Morocco, may be a little bit offended if they find out that girls from other parts of the world are wearing occidentalized versions of their traditional garments? Think about it.

    And by the way, that was me in the comment before cecilia, I was using another computer.

  58. Cecilia Says:

    @Nati Hell: “Involuntary offense to the beliefs of a group of people is often a CONSEQUENCE of cultural appropriation”. To me it´s more a consequence of ignorance about the religion of that group of people, not of “cultural appropiation”.

    The appropiation of natural resources also takes time, and most of the times people are not even aware that it’s happening. The press and the gobernment of all cauontires involved always try to hide the real dimension of it, or disguise it as “fair business”. And I still think that material appropiation is WORST than cultural one. The CONSEQUENCE of material appropiation is that people don´t have enough to eat.

    Yes, maybe he people from some tribe in Africa, or women in Morocco, may be a little bit offended if they find out that girls from other parts of the world are wearing occidentalized versions of their traditional garments, but I think, unless religion is involved, that some others wouldn´t give a damn.

    P. S. I like your blog!

  59. Cecilia Says:

    http://www.google.com.uy/imgres?imgurl=http://image2.linkinn.com/userfile/pictures_1004/Image/Hot_Beauty_Laetitia_Casta_Sexy_Bikini_and_Lingerie_Pics_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pixyard.com/_Hot_Beauty_Laetitia_Casta_Sexy_Bikini_and_Lingerie_Pics&usg=__unu78LV2VJW7H3uJOwAhoKFWuSw=&h=722&w=1024&sz=415&hl=es&start=78&tbnid=NDPL-9N2QGdt2M:&tbnh=120&tbnw=157&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlaetitia%2Bcasta%26um%3D1%26hl%3Des%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:es-ES:official%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D576%26tbs%3Disch:1,ic:specific,isc:red0%2C1254&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=109&vpy=313&dur=25057&hovh=188&hovw=267&tx=190&ty=109&ei=P09LTOLMMcL58Abi87Az&page=4&ndsp=26&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:78&biw=1366&bih=576

    The link is so long! but the image is worth the copypasting. I´m sure the Masai got a lot of dollars from this, good for them.

  60. em Says:

    I read through the article, and apparently he’s “homeless by choice” I think there’s a big difference between being inspired by someone who chooses to live a certain drifter/nomadic free style lifestyle vs. a real, bonified homeless person.

    although, any punk living on the streets who does “by choice” will tell you they love their freedom but their life is hard as shit.

  61. em Says:

    the girl above linking to clothing that may resemble a “tribal” print is a fucking idiot.

    there is cultural appropriation and then there is a tee shirt. not every fucking thing in the world is offensive. and something that has a cheetah print is not “tribal” its a fucking print of an animal.

  62. Nati Hell Says:

    @ Em: Normally I wouldn’t give a damn about your ignorance, but I just want to make my point clear.

    Cheetah print is not tribal, you’re right, it’s ANIMAL print. I’m talking about tribal prints. I’m not saying that a t-shirt with a tribal design is offensive, but there is a HUGE cultural meaning and background that people ignore.

    So you think that those t-shirts with those patterns are a product of the imagination of some random clothing company? No… it’s because someone took some aspects of another culture’s clothing that they found aesthetically pleasing and they incorporated it to the local garments: t-shirts. That’s what cultural appropriation is about: Taking aspects from other cultures and making them your own. Thats why american people

    Before you call me a fucking idiot again,

  63. Nati Hell Says:

    Continues, sorry:

    That’s why american people won’t wear a Boubou or a Dashiki, but they would wear a dress or a dress or a bag with patterns like this: http://www.wecdsb.on.ca/publicart/p_05-africa/images/CCH/CCHcomposite.jpg

    Before you call me a fucking idiot again, do your research.

  64. Nati Hell Says:

    *a t shirt or a dress or a bag…

    Sorry hahaha

  65. Sister Wolf Says:

    em – Nati Hell isn’t an idiot, just clarifying that point.

  66. Cricket9 Says:

    OK, after educating myself a bit, I think that clothing with tribal print, “ethnic” jewelry, folk embroidery on pillows etc. is inspiration, not appropriation; Polish/Ukrainian pierogis were recently candidates for Canadian national dish (poutine won, tough) – I’m not offended in the least. I admired Indian saris at an Indian wedding and said “too bad I can’t wear them”; all women were saying “why not, everyone can wear a sari, you should try”. Sacred symbols are another story; I’m an atheist and I don’t wear crosses or religious medals, wouldn’t wear a star of David or Om symbol either. There is cultural appropriation and there is stupidity – like death-fixated Ms. Sherrer naming a perfume “Maximilia”, after a priest who died in Auschwitz to save another person. Anyway – I agree with Cecilia, appropriation of natural resources (let’s call it stealing) is more worrisome.

  67. Cecilia Says:

    Here are some examples of cultural appropiation, as defined above by Nati Hell (“Taking aspects from other cultures and making them your own”):

    Michelangelo´s “David”- in a style “appropiated” from ancient Greece,

    Paul Gauguin polinesian paintings,

    William Shakespeare´s “Coriolanus”, “Julius Caesar”, “Antony and Cleopatra”, all of which “appropiate” ancient roman culture,

    All of rock, jazz and blues music made by people who aren´t black- they would be “appropiating” african rythms…

    All classical music made by people who aren´t white,

    etc., etc., etc….

    Should we really be againt the existence of all this?

    Thanks, Cricket9! (and also Alicia, whom I forgot to thank earlier).

  68. Nati Hell Says:

    Oh nonono, don’t get me wrong, I’m not against this stuff at all, I’m just pointing it out.

  69. Rosa Says:

    @ Cecilia: I respect what you’re saying about the exploitation of natural resources being a seriously fucked up matter. I agree that the consequences are horrendous… like the kind of devastation Chevron-Texaco has left behind in Ecuador for example.

    But dispossession & exploitation/corruption of land & resources is, as Nati Hell said, very different to cultural appropriation (I don’t think the term appropriation even applies to it.) I don’t think the consequences of environmental violation can really be judged any more or less serious than those of cultural violation…different problems, with too many variables.

    The Wandjina article I linked to is, in fact, an example of cultural appropriation. This instance of the appropriation of an Indigenous community’s sacred symbol is mindless and disrespectful to the point of racist insult; the manner in which the appropriators responded to the Indigenous community’s outrage compounded this…rather than show remorse, the appropriators have basically told the Indigenous people to go fuck themselves, and continued appropriating Wandjinas. So I strongly disagree that it was an involuntary offense – I think the fuckers are enjoying the offensiveness of it.

    Can’t even remember how this jumped from homeless fashion to cultural appropriation now hahaha! Ravens and writing desks…

  70. Alicia Says:

    @Celia – I was going to say something along the line of what Rosa just said. In terms of natural resources, appropriation is not the correct term that should be used. Exploitation (among others) are a better fit.

    Also, in response to an earlier comment you made to Nati Hell, I’d argue that ignorance of the culture is one of the things that leads into appropriation. I’m pretty sure that folks willingly donning “tribal prints,” native feather headdresses, ceremonial robes, et. al. have little to no knowledge of the significance of these things in the cultures they are “borrowing” them from. As such, the chain goes:

    ignorance –> appropriation –> offense

    As for the list you made above, I can’t say we should be against all of that. There is a slippery slope between influence, reinterpretation and appropriation. I guess in cases where it’s likely that a lot of people would likely be offended (in terms of fashion only…I can’t call the other stuff), the least someone could do would be to find about what they’re putting on their body to make sure they aren’t disrespecting or desecrating what it is or stands for.

  71. Bessie the Buddha cow: Says:

    ‎”Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent. And don’t bother concealing your thievery-celebrate it if you feel like it. In any case, always remember what Jean-Luc Godard said: ‘It’s not where you take things from- it’s where you take them to.'”
    -Jim Jarmusch

  72. Make Do Style Says:

    I still think Cyril Style is a cunt

  73. Sister Wolf Says:

    Make Do – Hahahahahaha! He’s a TOTAL cunt.

  74. Cecilia Says:

    @Rosa, @Alicia: I used the expression “material appropiation” or “natural resources appropiation” to make an ironic parallelism with “cultural appropiation”. I agree with you in that is not the best term. “Stealing”, as Cricket9 said, would be much better.

    I still think that the rich countries are constantly stealing money from the poor ones, and that is much worse than wearing a stupid dress with some tribal prints.

    Those australian “artists” seem to be opportunist cunts seeking for publicity. But the aborigenes that pronosticated their “horrible, painful death” are not my idea of good people either, I don´t care how “folkloric” this curse is. Surely they were offended in their religious feelings, but, to be honest, I´m an atheist and I think that a world with less religion would be a better one. Religion creates conflicts, and also diverts people´s attention from the real problems to unreal ones.

  75. Bessie the Buddha cow: Says:

    @ Make Do Style, I’m not saying Cyril Style isn’t a cunt. There’s a difference between exploiting the disenfranchised, the homeless, the poor, 3rd world countries, indigenous people for personal gain and then borrowing/stealing for creativity (hopefully for the greater good) . . . but in the Western World the lines are easily blurred and I certainly can’t define them.

  76. A cow with a holy attitude Says:

    Oye . . . sister wolf if only i could type . . . and spell . . . . and edit said typing and spelling . . .

  77. Elaine Says:

    These cunts have conveniently overlooked the fact that this guy was homeless and instead of offering help, they decided to photograph him for the sake of “art”
    Styling him with designer clothing worth thousands is a slap in the face to his situation. How does that help him? Who was benefiting from this “collaboration”?
    Am I supposed to aspire to become someone who is homeless or who LOOKS homeless? I don’t want homeless to become a brand. Does this man take pride in being identified as homeless?
    How messed up is it torn, worn-down, slashed, dirty, faded, ripped, tissue-thin “rad” look can be neatly packaged and thought to be hot shit.

  78. Hammie Says:

    You know I hate Ben Stiller but is anyone going to mention Le Derelicte in this? Or Abfab and Edina appropriating the lost tribes of gawdknows and their gorgeous earthernware?
    Actually, I’ve just realized who Sea’s Mom reminds me of!!!! Edina – I guess Sea is the anti- Saffi in this case?!?

  79. Srenna Says:

    That guy is grade-A dipshit. Wonder what those “specific details” are?

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